Take the 2-minute tour ×
Quantitative Finance Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for finance professionals and academics. It's 100% free, no registration required.

One way investors analyze stocks is on a technical basis. Looking at Bollinger Banks (20 day moving average +- 2 standard deviations) is one of the most popular technical tools. Some stocks trade between their Bollinger bands and rarely break through the bands.

Research points to price changes in stocks as a random walk. Also, most people believe that past news, and other factors have little if any impact on future price movements.

How do I reconcile stocks that trade almost exclusively between their Bollinger bands and the two points highlighted above (random walk, past performance doesn't suggest future performance)? Should looking at Bollinger Bands only be useful when deciding when to buy a stock after doing fundamental and other analysis? Or is simply looking at Bollinger Bands enough to make a short term trading call?

share|improve this question
add comment

5 Answers

Seeing a pattern in a chart is the finance equivalence of a Rorschach test---the discerned pattern says more about the person than the image. And really, if you want to trade that way, you may as well use astrology.

Your real question seems to be:

How can I accept or reject the hypothesis that Bollinger bands are an acceptable trading signal?

For that, you'll need to backtest a trading model. You'll have to get some data and write some software to simulate technical analysis. Of course, you must be absolutely carefully that you haven't biased your sample (survivorship, selection, look-ahead, etc). Only a well-executed backtest can give you the evidence to make an informed decision.

And once you've done that, you'll be a quant. Until then, you're just staring at ink on a page.

share|improve this answer
    
thanks for your rigorous and thoughtful answer. However, is it really a Rorschach test if "everyone" can see that a stock trades between its Bollinger Bands? This past trend at least appears to have some predictive value, but under no arb conditions, how can this exist? –  zpesk Mar 31 '11 at 2:41
2  
@zPesk Who's everyone? Is everyone the people who claim that horoscopes are right sometimes? This Stack Exchange is intended for professional quants. If your trading signal were predictive, then a simple backtest should demonstrate promise. –  chrisaycock Mar 31 '11 at 4:24
5  
"And once you've done that, you'll be a quant. Until then, you're just staring at ink on a page." -- Then he'll replace blind faith in charts by blind faith in maths ;-) –  quant_dev Mar 31 '11 at 6:16
    
@quant_dev Yeah, this really is a choose-your-superstition industry. I'm waiting for dowsing rods next. –  chrisaycock Mar 31 '11 at 13:45
1  
Chrisaycock, what are you actually trying to say other than that you need to backtest ideas to verify whether they are worth trading them. Charts are graphical representations of time compressed prices, thus chart patterns can be mapped to price patterns, a very often approach to developing strategies. I do not see your point to broadly discredit the attempt to trade chart patterns. I do not trade them nor have invested any time to do so but I would not categorically rule out that certain patterns repeat themselves and are tradable. –  Matt Wolf Jul 11 '12 at 3:28
show 2 more comments

Just like everyone else that's been down this path, you'll have to prove this stuff to yourself. Make sure that one of your competing tests is a "noise test" where the decision to go long or short is driven by a meaningless random number generator. If your method can't statistically outperform noise, then your method is not doing anything meaningful.

share|improve this answer
add comment

Apparently in Forex markets, technical analysis is becoming less and less effective: http://forextradingtipsdaily.com/fed-paper-power-of-technical-analysis-in-forex-is-declining/

I wonder if this is also the case for equity.

share|improve this answer
    
The link to the Fed paper in that forex link doesn't work. Here's the direct link research.stlouisfed.org/wp/2011/2011-001.pdf Here's a related paper research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/97/09/9709cn.pdf –  bill_080 Mar 31 '11 at 15:44
    
Here's another interesting paper cftc.gov/opa/enf03/opa4789-03.htm –  bill_080 Mar 31 '11 at 15:46
add comment

I recall reading a paper that showed trading strategies based on bollinger bands got more effective if they've worked for that asset in the past. In other words, each time the price 'bounced' of the bands it got more likely that it would 'bounce' in the future, and hence the strategy got more profitable. Unfortunately I can't find the reference to the paper, and have not yet gotten around to backtesting it myself. Hope this random addition is useful to someone.

share|improve this answer
add comment

Let's approach the answer to your question from a pure trading and risk management perspective because looking at it from a mathematical standpoint nor quant standpoint does not yield you much here:

1) Bollinger bands are nothing else than standard deviation envelopes around the mean of past prices of the underlying. So, as far as simple probabilities go, the bollinger bands are not supposed to be broken more often on average than the volatility of past price moves indicates. Therefore, nobody should be surprised to see assets to trade most of the time in between their 2 or 3 standard deviation wide bands (only difference here is that the bands are around the mean and not the actual current price).

2) "Research points to price changes in stocks as a random walk. Also, most people believe that past news, and other factors have little if any impact on future price movements.":

-> First of all stocks nor ANY other asset follows a random walk. A random walk is as close as the lazy academician gets to modeling stock prices. It is far from being accurate. Its the same as saying interest rates are constant and volatility has non random components when valuing option prices with Black Scholes. A random walk is an incredibly weak tool in my opinion to model stock prices. Actually a very often asked question to aspiring junior traders is whether they believe in efficient markets. Believe it or not but a huge number of highly accomplished quants who want to move on to trading desks do not make it because they answered yes in one way or the other to above question.

-> Past performance, price movements, volatility behavior is one of the most often used and most important component in ANY pricing, modeling, trade evaluation and risk management approach. Care to forecast volatility without past datapoints? Care to make an educated guess about buying or selling stocks only by knowing its fundamentals? Care to make markets in options without knowledge of previously traded levels (you will lose your job faster than you can blink with your eyes)? My point is that its one thing to comfortably sit in your quant seat and model time series with KDB and price up your exotics using Monte Carlo or other non-closed form techniques and hand it over to the trader. Its an entirely different thing to be in the hot seat day in day out and show prices worth sometimes hundreds of millions, knowing the market is sometimes HIGHLY INEFFICIENT which was sadly an often forgotten but very important risk aspect on quant desks. I am not trying to rant against quants but I simply hugely disagree with many quants that past prices are close to being irrelevant, such belief would get you instantaneously fired from any trading desk.

3) My short answer to your last paragraph is, it depends: The only thing I agree with one quant who also submitted an answer here is that you need to rigorously test your ideas especially if they can be tested. I am willing to bet there are people who make a killing trading one or the other variation of bollinger bands, and there are on the other hand 1000s of others who lose money day in day out with such approach. Why? Because some are willing to put in the work, test, refine, test, start over, test, verify, trade small, build, re-test, optimize, add size,.... Most are not willing to do that. That is the simple but my honest answer. Those who spend the effort to test and verify ideas and are willing to risk money on promising strategies will be rewarded, others not.

share|improve this answer
1  
"There are people who make a killing trading ... bollinger bands, and there are on the other hand 1000s of others who lose money day in day out." -- I feel obliged to point out that if you get thousands of people to trade a strategy, and they all implement it slightly differently, then you expect some of them to make great profits through chance alone. Even if the strategy has negative expectation overall. That doesn't mean that they're great traders or that they are smarter, or put in more work. It means they got lucky. –  Chris Taylor Jul 25 '12 at 7:47
add comment

Your Answer

 
discard

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.