I have a trading system I would like to test for the S&P 500, or another very similar instrument. I'm looking to make approximately 10-15 trades per month. I know if you have a Vanguard account, you can trade their ETFs for no commission, but them limit you to 25 trades in a 12 month period. Are there any other brokerage that let you trade certain instruments without paying a comission?
7
$\begingroup$
$\endgroup$
3
$\begingroup$
$\endgroup$
Take a look at Schwab:
http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/investment_products/etfs/schwab_etfs
http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/investment_products/mutual_funds/no_fee_funds.html
Pro-funds ========:
http://www.profunds.com/overview/content/faqs.html
http://www.proshares.com/faqs/
Rydex ========:
http://www.rydex-sgi.com/products/mutual_funds/home/mf_home.rails
-
$\begingroup$ So I could trade a Shwab ETF 100x a day, commission free? Why do they allow this, while vanguard does not? $\endgroup$ – Zach Apr 21 '11 at 19:59
-
1$\begingroup$ @Zach: You could e-mail them and ask, but my guess is, they're making the market for those Schwab ETF's (they get the bid/ask spread). If you assume a 0.25% bid/ask spread, then 100 trades per day gives them (100 * 0.0025) = 0.25 or 25% of the "notional trade" for that day with very little risk. I'd take that deal. $\endgroup$ – bill_080 Apr 21 '11 at 23:33
-
$\begingroup$ Gotcha, that makes sense. I guess Vanguard isn't making the market for their own ETFs? $\endgroup$ – Zach Apr 22 '11 at 0:17
-
$\begingroup$ @Zach: Vanguard may be making markets, I don't know. Keep in mind that with your example, to get 100 trades in one day, you would probably have to trigger those trades as "market orders". On an ETF, especially a specialized ETF, that spread may be a lot bigger than the 0.25% in my calcs. As a result, there's not as much "day trading" with Schwab's no-fee ETF's as you might expect. For future reference, this situation is called "Internalization". sec.gov/answers/internalization.htm $\endgroup$ – bill_080 Apr 22 '11 at 0:42
4
$\begingroup$
$\endgroup$
Here's a rundown of the various commission-free options out there. Doesn't give any info on maximum number of trades but that shouldn't be very hard to find on the providers' websites.
answered Apr 22 '11 at 1:26
3
$\begingroup$
$\endgroup$
I think you've misread the weasel words about Vanguard ETF trades:
If you buy and sell the same Vanguard ETF in a Vanguard Brokerage account more than 25 times in a 12-month period, you may be restricted from purchasing that Vanguard ETF through your Vanguard Brokerage account for 60 days.
-
$\begingroup$ You're right, but I'm still planning to buy and sell 1 ETF more than 25 times in a 12-month period $\endgroup$ – Zach Apr 26 '11 at 12:52
