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I cannot figure out the difference between the two data series found here:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T5YIE/

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T5YIFR/

The 5Y breakeven inflation, to my knowledge, is simply the difference between the 5Y nominal Treasury yield and the 5Y TIPS yield, so it makes sense this represents the inflation premium on 5 year investment, correct? Then moving to the 5Y5Y, I am entirely lost. The formula on the FRED site does not seem to explain what it intuitively shows. Can someone help me out here? I really want the intuition behind these two measures of inflation, and if I’m wrong about the 5Y breakeven rate, please help me with that too! Thanks a lot.

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    $\begingroup$ The word "forward" in the title of the second chart refers to the fact that the 5 years over which inflation is of concern are the years 2026-2031, i.e. the 5 years that begin 5 years from today. $\endgroup$
    – noob2
    Jun 25 at 15:11
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    $\begingroup$ Thank you but I’m asking for a more detailed answer! $\endgroup$ Jun 25 at 15:17
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    $\begingroup$ I downvoted this because the FED is very clear in how they compute things. Just your links explain the difference: - breakeven is only using 5 year - forward is using 10 y and 5 y to get 5y5y forward (formula is in the link). $\endgroup$
    – AKdemy
    Jun 25 at 16:27
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    $\begingroup$ You may want to look at this : blogs.cfainstitute.org/insideinvesting/2013/01/07/… - these are what are known as forward rates/implied forward rates. $\endgroup$ Jun 25 at 16:59
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    $\begingroup$ @user3138766 essentially, the 5 year inflation is what the market expects inflation to be in 5 years . We also have a ten year inflation which is what the market expects inflation to be in 10 years. If you manipulate the 5, 10 years appropriately, and use the fact that in some sense, the 5 now + the 5 in 5 years should be equal to the 10, you get a measure that says what people expect 5 year ahead inflation to be, 5 -years from now $\endgroup$ Jun 25 at 17:44
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I downvoted because I think the FED is very detailed in their documentation. The definition of a forward is a very basic financial question that a bit of google search can answer and not a quant question. Nonetheless, since your question is upvoted, others think differently.

As the links you provided state:

Pulling these up gives (2021-06-23) 0.9 and - 1.59 respectively. $0.9-(-1.59)=2.49$ which corresponds to the actual value on 2021-06-23: 2.49.
The website states this is what market participants expect inflation to be in the next 5 years, on average. On average because it is annualized (explained in the links). You may wonder why an Inflation-Indexed security can a negative yield. That is just a result of yields being below (expected) inflation.

  • The other series is a forward and constructed as: $$(((((1+((BC_{10YEAR}-TC_{10YEAR})/100))^{10})/((1+((BC_{5YEAR}-TC_{5YEAR})/100))^5))^{0.2})-1)*100$$

The following uses Julia and FRED® API but is not endorsed or certified by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. enter image description here

The website explains This series is a measure of expected inflation (on average) over the five-year period that begins five years from today. Look at the denominator, that is just the 5y breakeven series. The numerator is the exact same but for 10 years. It's just $(1+growth)^n$ where $growth$ is either corresponding to 5 or 10 years. It uses $n$, the number of years because the rate is annualized. Exactly like you would compute your return from investing at a 2% interest rate for 5 years $(1+0.02)^5$. Just here, it's inflation, and $((BC_{10YEAR}-TC_{10YEAR})/100)$ is the equivalent of 0.02 in the interest rate example. You divide by 100 because it is required to be in decimals. So you know the value after 5 years (how much price levels increased in case of inflation) and 10 years.

How to get from the value after 5 years and 10 years a 5y5y fwd?

There must be a rate that turns the end of 5 year level into the end of 10 year value - that is the 5y5y forward.

  • 5 years from now, inflation is ~1.13086 of today's value
  • 10 years from now, inflation is ~ 1.26

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  • There are 5 years in between. Hence,
    $$1.13086*(1+?)^5+1.26$$ or
    $$growth_5*(1+?)^5=growth_{10}$$
  • Simply solve for ? which is the 5y5y $$(1+?)^5 = growth_{10}/growth_5$$ $$(1+?) = (growth_{10}/growth_5)^{1/5}$$ $$? = (growth_{10}/growth_5)^{0.2}-1$$ enter image description here

This question is very similar but Bloomberg uses a simplified 2*10Y-5Y logic (for inflations swaps). Looking at 10 year which is 2.3, and 5 year (2.45), computing $2*2.3-2.45=2.15$ which happens to be identical at the time of writing to the 5y5y FED value. The FED is just more detailed. How does this simple formula work though? It's a basic transformation. $$(growth_{10}/growth_5)^{0.2} =$$ $$((1+expectation10/100)^{10}/(1+expectation5/100)^5)^{0.2} = $$ $$(1+expectation10/100)^{10*0.2}/(1+expectation5/100)^{5*0.2} = $$ $$ln((1+expectation10/100)^{2}/(1+expectation5/100)^{1}) = $$ $$2*ln(1+expectation10/100)-ln(1+expectation5/100) \approx $$ $$2*expectation10/100-expectation5/100) = $$ $$2*10Y-5Y $$ enter image description here

where I used the logarithmic properties: $$ln(u/v)=ln(u)−ln(v)$$ $$ln(u^n) = n*ln(u)$$ and $$ ln (1 + x) \approx x $$

You can see that while looking at today (and imprecise decimals) may make it look like the two provide the same solution, using exact calculations with yesterday's data reveals one of the shortcomings in this simplification.

Long story short, it's the same data. It's just that one is looking at inflation from now until 5 years into the future, while the other is the exact same expectation in 5 years from now. So it is not a question of what is better, but of what you are interested in. Like your income in the next 5 years, as opposed to your income the 5 years after these 5 years. Both numbers may be of interest to you.

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